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RI & Mixed Species

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RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 00:49 I've been harping on other people lately to question their assumptions, and so I've decided to do some of that myself. There are a few things that I've simply taken for granted as "this is the way it is, it can be no other way" for years. So I thought I would pick the brains of everyone here to try to find the basis of these assumptions. (and it's much easier than doing all the research myself!)

So here they are:

"Cold temperatures cause respiratory infections in reptiles."
I know many of us had mothers who told us not to go outside with wet hair, or without a coat or whatever, because we would catch a cold. Most of us (I hope) now realize that it's not the
*cold* that was the problem. It's the bacteria and viruses. So where are solitary captive snakes getting exposed to bacteria and viruses that make them sick when their immunity is lowered by cold temps? Where are these darned things surviving? In the snake, and just not taking over until the snakes immunity is lowered? If that's the case, since Amikcin and Baytril treat an RI once it's in full swing, shouldn't we be able to shot-gun treat with those before the animal gets sick and keep it from ever getting an RI? But we all know this doesn't work. What's the deal? Where are these RIs coming from?

"Never keep species from different regions of the world together.
They have different gut flora and fauna that may be mutually harmful."
Is there really any hard evidence of this? I don't mean anecdotal tales of putting two critters together and one dies. I mean cold, hard, scientific facts. I wonder if this statement used to be more true in the past before we were all treating our herps for parasites regularly and when most animals were still wild caught. Does a 14th generation leopard gecko really have gut flora and fauna native to Pakistan still? Does treatment with a broad range of drugs upon importation or purchase of a new pet eliminate any of the problem? Was the threat real in the first place, or was it a theory that knowledgeable herpers tossed out to keep newbie herpers from keeping mixed-species (which presents a host of "real" problems anyway without this parasite thing), and we've all just heard it so many times that it has become part of the collective consciousness and therefore *must* be true, like Walt Disney being frozen?

Ok. I'm rambling. I'll stop for now.

Please keep in mind that I'm *not* saying the assumptions are wrong.
In fact, the first one I'm positive is right, I just question the mechanics. The second one is something that I myself have said repeatedly for years, but now begin to wonder how true it is. It would be cool if someone could come in and shut me up with some facts that I was an idiot not to have known. Otherwise, it might make for some good conversation. And I have a test next week to not study for..



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 04:37 Cold snake, lower motility of lung cilia, fluid not cleared as readily, collecting in the lung, good medium for growth of airborne pathogens.



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 06:35 Henry Lizardlover mixes species, but then, they have his whole house.
If you could give them enough room, animals that like the same conditions but come from different parts of the world would probably do fine together, as long as they aren't prey and predator.



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 08:53 THAT'S IT!! Its definitely Pete!

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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 15:43 ah-ha! This is precisely the type of answer I was looking for. Thanks.



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/06 18:43 I keep my RTB, "Slim" and my albino burm, "Noodle" together. I also keep a blood python with my BP's.



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2003/01/07 04:14 Very interesting questions! I'm not gonna say much, as I have no idea, but
I wouldn't be surprised if the "collective consciousness" theory is true.



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re:RI & Mixed Species - 2008/06/26 04:37 A breakdown on my house: asian water dragon lives with a tokay, basilisk and a neighbourhood toad. Asian water dragon lives with a painted turtle and green basilisk. 8 green tree frogs, 4 fire bellies, 1 giant day gecko, 2 rainbow skinks, golden gecko, 3 anoles and a wood turtle all live together. Giant Day gecko, cuban anole, emerald swift, brown anole, whites tree frog, rainbow skink all live together. 3 leopard geckos, 1 really little beardie and 2 girdled lizards housed together. Blue tongue skink, clubtailed iggi and berber skink together. etc..etc...will say that 2 female beardies, 1 spiny tailed iggi, a berber and an african pygmy hedgehog also reside together.....lots of observation needed. sometimes new housing arrangements.....mostly everything goes along very well here.

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